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INTRO
So you think you know what a Mary Sue is. Who is Mary Sue any way? and what does it really mean? It's a dirty word. It's an insult. It's a critique word. It's a "cheap" word we throw around. With all these things of what it is, it's strange that there is still no set defintion for a Mary Sue. So I thought I'd write a little more on the subject. Now I re-read into a lot of articles for this, so there will be plenty of paraphrasing on my part.


WHO'S A MARY SUE?
Maybe you have heard one of these somewhere before; If your character has bright colors, she's a Mary Sue. If she loves Purple, she's a Mary Sue. If she's a princess, she's a Mary Sue. If she has a tragic past, she's a Mary Sue. If she's beautiful, she's a Mary Sue. If She's powerful, she's a Mary sue. If she's a tomboy, she's a Mary Sue. Ah, but that is all untrue; Sadly, I have seen characters accused of being Mary Sues for having even just one of these traits. That's not how Mary Sue operates. Merely being a princess doesn't make Zelda a Mary Sue. Rangiku Matsumoto has huge boobs but those don't make her a Mary Sue (they do make me question the manga author though). Morgiana form Magi Labyrinth of Magic had a tragic background but that doesn't make her a Mary Sue. Tsunade is a powerful female yet she's not a Mary Sue. So then how do you know what makes a Mary Sue and what doesn't?

First of all, Just having one or two or even three of these traits doesn't define a Mary Sue. So what does then? Well, let's look at the original meaning; Mary sue used to mean a female author avatar. But the word has since changed it's meaning.  Now Mary Sue is a word that  denotes a fictional character who is usually, though not always, a self insert who is overly idealized, poorly developed, with unusual physical traits and impossibly over skilled despite being of a young age (unrealistic). The word Mary Sue changed and began to refer to the traits that the actual character, Mary Sue herself, displayed. So a true Mary Sue will have these traits as well as many--if not all the ones--I am about to list


THE REAL MARY SUE
Mary Sue, herself,  was a character in a Star Trek fanfiction. She was a mere 15 but still finished all her space academy training, made it as a crew member to the ship, the Enterprise, did everyones job better then the pros did even though they had more years of training, and the two lead males were in love with her despite their personalities as a professional starship captain and an emotionally strict and logical Vulcan. She was also only half human and cliche fashion acted ashamed of her half blood lineage.

Right away you can see all the unrealistic details about her, including the fact that no respectable starship captain is going to go after a 15 year old girl. But there are other problems to the Mary Sue chararacter. Besides all this perfect professionalism, Mary Sue can be cliche, poorly written, a never fail character, power tripping, Center of attention type, and an alien element. An alien element means that she does not fit in reasonably well in the world that she is written into and she bends the universe in order to make it seem like she does belong. Sound familiar yet?


COMMON TRAITS
Let's see--what else? Well, she is generally well liked by everyone. In fact even the cold, distant, grouchy charcters who don't want to be around people can't seem to resist instantly liking her. And all the most popular males of the canon fall in love with her instantly and for no real reason at all other than being overwelmed by her great beauty and many talents. Even when Mary sue tries to come across as just a plain girl , her Sueness shines through when all these characters still become captivated by her. Other girls will be portrayed as rivals, as her wonderfulness creates uncharacteristic envy in them and changes their personalities so that they seem more aggressive and disagreeable. Even the nice ones will be made to look like evil enemies to her, and it's no surprise that these will be the characters whom the author dislikes the most. But everyone else will be fascinated by her, so much so, that they want her attention and presence more than caring about the other things in their lives. Her boyfriend(s) will forget all their prior love interests just for her, even the presence of his canon girlfriend, should he have one, will become meaningless--this is part of that center of attenion aspect I mentioned. Even if she's a Sue that only wants one particular boy, the thing that makes her a Sue is that her one boyfriend, along with all his friends still act out of character around her, so having a single boyfriend doesn't make her less Sueish. And often times even when she wants only one boy, she will still have others wanting her attention to the point of wanting to kidnap her and keep her all for themselves, making her a dainty damsel in distress despite all her wonderful talents and magic powers.


HER TRAGIC BACKGROUND
Mary Sue's story will always include family and prior friends, noncanon, but they are in actuality, nonexistant. Their existance is only as a single sentence on a profile and almost always ends there. Her story may also mention traumas and hardships, but even though she's endured so much, these past events don't impact her life in the least. These tragic pasts are usually there to garner pity from the audience rather then to shape the character's personality, and that is when a  tragic past becomes an element of Mary Sue. Her personality will still be sunny and bright. Often times her backstory will be contradictory which makes for great confusion. Some Mary Sues hope back and forth between the bad guys then the good guys, then the bad guys again. Well developed characters with tragic backgrounds should not be flighty like this. Either that bad past is going to gear them toward a dark path, or they will be strong enough to want to fight for their happiness. None of this flip flopping crap. It just reeks of a brat who wants both ways and to hell with any logic about it, and that's another mark of a Mary Sue.


HER IMPORTANCE
Mary Sue  often tries to insert herself into the canon story (ususally in a very awkward way that often doesn't make sense.)as a person with a super important role, sometimes more important than the canon hero's role--she is the real chosen one. Sometimes just being the chosen one is her only power.  Some times her role is so special that she can even reform all the major villains in one fell swoop! Sometimes she's the one who actually lights the way for the hero. What ever it is, it must sound important.


HER POOR CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT
A common problem for Mary Sue is that she has a poorly defined personality. Often times her personality traits are contradictory to each other leaving us wondering whether she is really shy or really out going. Characters react to her more than she reacts to them. And the characters whom she doesn't like are ususally portrayed in a negative light that doesn't really reflect how that character really is in the canon. Mary sue is a good person even though we never actually see her doing anything to earn that statemnet. She's always cheerful and brave even though her past is so tragic. She is incorruptable--able to resist even the things that haunt the heros. Mary Sue lacks true depth which makes her shallow and superficial. She seems to be exclusively defined by how others react to her instead of by anything she does, if she actually does anything at all. As for why Tombyishness is considered a Mary Sueish trait, it's because, like many things tacked on to her profile, she never actually lives the part. The same reasoning goes for a princess Sue. And that is part of the poor character development aspect.  


HER FLAWS, OR LACK THERE OF
Another problem is that Mary Sue has no true meaningful flaws. Most authors tack on insincere things that may look cute on a profile, like being clumsy or being short tempered (even though being clumsy is not a flaw--it's a character trait; it's only a flaw if that clumsiness is exceedingly heavy). Maybe the author will put a real flaw in--like she likes to party, but we will never see the consequences of it--she never has a hang over or gets arrested  or grounded or anything, so it's rather meaningless. A flaw may be a personality fault; example, if she's very beautiful, she may be vain or arrogant. Maybe she's smart, but anti-social. These traits affect how she treats people and how they react to her. But Mary Sue never suffers the drawbacks to these so called flaws, thus they are meaning less. A good flaw should impact the character in some way, shape, or form.


HER IMMUNITY
And of course, Mary Sue never has to suffer the consequences of her actions. She can spit in the face of her lover's little sister and he will still be "I forgive you! Oh, I love you so much! Let's get married!" Whatever she does, she can get away with it like how a certain notorious princess version of Shadow the Hedgehog killed Fiona Fox and none the other characters even batted an eye. Even when Mary Sue's being a total bitch, others do not call her out.


HER AGE AND SKILLS/POWERS
Mary Sue is usually very young, so it's unrealistic that she ends up with all these amazing skills or powers with no real explanation as to why she even has them. Often times the powers are noncanon, and are overtly powerful, yet she has a full mastery of them and is still only 16. Her powers usually have no limitations or real responsibilities attached to them--they just make her life easy and conflict free. Heck most of the time, she is so powerful that she is capable of upstaging the hero and all his special abilities! But it's not always about big powers--The Star trek Mary Sue was an excellent officer and master of all the jobs it took to run a starship ,and again, only at age 15.


HER BLINDING BEAUTY
Another aspect, is that Mary Sue may be overtly beautiful--so much to the point where her hair takes up an entire paragraph to describe and somehow she has natural highlights of various colors when everyone else has to use bleach and hair dye and don't get me strated on her kelidoscopic or heterochromic eyes and ridiculouslly long eyelashes! She may have extra unusual features to make her seem more exceptional. Perhaps cat ears or wings in a canon where people don't have cat ears or wings, or unusually colorful hair in a canon where most of the characters have natural ordinary earth tones. These are attempts to make her seem extra special. An unusual trait is fine on a character so long as there is a reason as to why she has it, and I mean a real reason, not simply tacking them on because they look cool or cute or awsome, and it should also still reasonably fit within canon world. Mary Sue doesn't have to be overtly beautiful (or at least claims not to be) in order to still be a Mary Sue, though the many that I have encountered focus a lot on their outer beauty and little else. This kind of Sue plays at being an ordianry boring girl but yet is still so special that the boys are fighting for her attention. Bella Swan is a great example of this type of Sue; though she claims to be an ordinary girl, it's curious that the author picked a beautiful sounding name that means beautiful swan instead of picking an ordinary name like Joanne Whitfield. But anyway, back to what I was saying....And of course there is the use (or overuse) of sex appeal--the cheap skanky kind. This serves no purpose at all to the story, and is only there to reel in interest from the audience by making the character sexually appealing, albeit in a slutty way. It's common that her bust size will not realistically match her body frame. And often times she will wear a reavealing outfit unsuited for battle and other activites. Is constantly showing off her butt and breasts really how a princess would behave? Or a high ranking officer? Or even an ordinary respectable young woman? There is nothing wrong with sexual appeal and nothing wrong with showing some of it off a little bit at a time, but like I said, there's a wrong way and a right way to do everything. And all this sexual reavealingness definately clashes with one of Mary Sue's many personality traits, like the one that says she is shy and awkward around people.


HER SPECIALNESS
Besides Mary Sue writing down a tragic past as part of her bio, another way she tries to be special is by having an important title like that of royalty. What makes a princess a Sue is when, most of the time, she acts not like a princess at all, both in her behavior and the fact that she's more busy chasing boys, then actually carring out her royal duties. Another attempt at being extra special is having a long, gawdy, flowery name denoting how beautiful she is (Saphira Serenity Heaven Hope Marissa-chan..because adding a Japanese prefix is so Kawaii cool even though Mary Sue isn't Japaneses and doesn't live in Japan!) when every one else just has simple first and last names. The name may attempt to sound exotic or foreign or seem creative by using a spelling variation like spelling Jennifer as Jynnyfer. Another attempt to be special is to mimick something extraordinary that a canon character already has. Maybe it's something that is supposed to be exceedingly rare or one of a kind, yet Mary Sue manages to have one all for herself, once again breaking the canon. For exmple, Naruto only has nine seperate tailed beasts. But If Mary Sue wants, she can be the carrier of the more super-special-more-powerful-than-yours ten tailed beast--so what if it's not canon; Mary Sue wants it! Maybe she carries a special exotic weapon in a canon where everyone else just has to make due with their natural abilities. If she wants she may even take a certain item from a main character and duplicate it--Sephiroth's sword is Masamune--no one knows where it came from, but for some reason, Mary Sue owns an identicle copy to this sword called the Murasame. Another way that Mary Sue tries to be special is to do everything the hero does but better, being the chosen one, or the one who ultimately lights his way, or having the exact same powers as the hero but stronger. Maybe having a dark side will make her special, unique and sympathetic all at the same time! Or maybe she has over a dozen amazing and powerful transformational forms--Even canon heros don't have that many! Or maybe she's the only one in that world who has these special transformations--that's even better! Or perhaps being some half human hybrid who acts ashamed of her lineage. Some chose to be half vampires but suffer none of the weaknesses. Heck in some cases, she is even a ridiculous combination hybrid, part human, part elf, part siren, part dragon etc. And every now and again, she's the descendent of a goddess or some mythical creature of heavenly creation, or perhaps the last of her kind. What ever it is, it has to make her seem special--even more special than the heros.


HER ORIGINALITY
I've found that another common problem of Mary Sues, and this counts partly as poor character development, is the lack of originality, and lets be truthful, the lack of honesty about it; meaning they take things from the canon characters--their powers, their looks, their back stories--in some cases, all three! Sometimes Mary Sue tries to even take a canon character's very name and not even try to disguise the fact that is exactly what she did! Sometimes she may try to be clever by combining the look of two characters which may make her unintentionally look like a fankid between two characters. Sometimes they may take things from other canons and try to wedge them into their profile creating elements that don't belong to the canon that she was designed for. For example, one Sue had a companion character that transformed into a weapon--we all know that is clearly taken from Soul Eater but then it was wedged into the profile of the character who was supposed to be a Sonic Fan character (besides being a princess with no responsibilities and two canon charcters as lovers and several more romantic admirers chasing after her...). Heros are sometimes canonically the best at what they do (I'm sorry Mary Sue, but no one runs faster than Sonic.), so what better way to raise eyebrows then having a fancharacter who does it better?  That's the sort of thing Mary Sue does, and again, it's just taking an ability that someone else already has. Things like these are poor judgment calls on the author's part and it reflects badly on their character.


HER TRUE PURPOSE
 For the most part, Mary Sue is a spoiled pet for the author. She gets whatever she wants and never has to work for it--all the powers, the skills, wealth, all the best boys as lovers--not one, all of them. Or at least all the ones the author likes the most. Heck even her beauty is a gift that she never has to work to maintain. Mary Sue's true purpose is for the author to have something that others will admire, envy, or even pity. She is a tool to garner unearned respect from an audience. The Author will usually make a habit of rubbing it in our faces how special, sexy, awesome, and amazing their character is. Her relationships are so poorly developed that she just happens one day, and Bam! The lead canon male is instantly her boyfriend! No working for it, no earning it, no explanation as to how they even met. And then she may start up multiple relationships with the other guys, many of whom are villains. Would the hero really be okay with sharing his girlfriend with his enemy? Really? This is what we call bending the universe just to have it her way, the center of attention, the, the "Black Hole Sue" because every thing revolves around her and is sucked into her wants and desires. And when she makes characters act out of character (ooc), she breaks canon.  Everything must bend her way all the time because the world revolves around her.


MARY SUE AS A SELF INSERT
Some Mary Sues are intended to be fantasy versions of ourselves--self inserts. There is nothing wrong with wish fullfilling; however just like with everything else in life, there is a right way and a wrong way to do things. That is why character creating has guidelines. The right way will earn the author much respect and true admiration. The wrong way will ruin the story and create an out of place character that arouses many questions and many negative critiques, not to mention truck loads of injured ego.


HER LOVE OF PURPLE
 And so...oh, wait! I forgot the purple theme! Okay, Purple is associated with Mary Sues in worlds were heros are indentified by a color theme like Power Rangers or KateKyo Hitman Reborn or Sailor Moon. Now I do agree that Mary Sue is trying to stand out and be special when she choses a "Special Color" like gold, silver, or noncolor like white or black or something beyond a single color like "rainbow colored". And for some reason purple fits in there, even though it's as much a mixed color as green or orange is. Purple is often times left out of the color themes and Mary Sues pick it up and that's how purple came to be associated with Mary Sues. Though, in my own views, Gold, silver, white and black or rainbow colored  would be more fitting to represent Mary sues But that's just my opinion. Purple is also thought to be a common color that sue makers use for their character's eyes or hair, and even clothing, especially when they believe that lavender gives off a soft feminine quality or otherwise just seems "unique" as a hair or eye color. I myself have seen pink used as often if not more than either purple or lavender. I am very partial to purples and lavenders, and because of that I still intend to use the color as much as I please. But as I mentioned in the beginning, much of this article is paraphrased from various sources around the internet, and I happen to partially disagree with this part.


HER AUTHORS
There is also a few things to be said about the type of people who make Mary Sues. They tend to identifiy much too closely to their character. They are usually quite imature, and tend to take any sort of criticizim, no matter how well meaning or justitified it is, as a personal offense. They are, essentially, very egotistical, especially about their character. Sometimes to the point of hating to see their favorite character paired up with anyone else but their oc. Ironically, they also claim to support other pairings with their favorite canon character, when in actuality, they don't. In some more extreme cases of narcissism , the author will even make fan clubs for their Mary Sue, aggressively ship her with their favorite canon character, and then make a fan club for that. It's always good idea to have a nice handful of illustrations to show what the character looks like, but these type of people have a massive gallery dedicated to their Mary Sue. A gallery with as many as over 100 drawings of one character and her pairing is an obsession. There is no counter argument to that--it's obsessive. But since I've already covered the bad behavior of Mary Sue makers in a previous piece of writing, let's wrap up this piece on the Mary Sue character.


WHAT IT ALL ADDS UP TO
To put it simply, A Mary Sue is an overly idealized, poorly developed, unrealistic character who breaks the rules of canon for her own self gratification. She loses credability as a realistic character when she fails to fit into the canon world, and she ususally fails because she is trying so hard to be special or trying too hard to force her way into the lives of the characters and into the story, she never has to earn anything and besides the rules of canon, she also breaks the the rules of logic and reasoning. Unusual physical traits can come off as looking Sueish when just looked at a glance, but It is when a character displays these traits that I have listed in abundance is when that character reveals herself to actually be a real, true blue Mary Sue.  And now you know what it is that really makes a Mary Sue. I hope this clears up a few things. ~~





~~JUST SOME SIDE NOTES~~
Here are a few types of Sues that you may have heard somewhere before. I'll try to explain them briefly.

BLACK HOLE SUE--a sue who takes all the attention and makes all the characters act out of order. She never loses and gets everything she wants.

PURITY SUE--She is a saint and can do no wrong. She's always a good guy and sometimes overlaps with Fixer Sue or Relationship Sue. Everyone loves her because she's so perfect and her words inspire everyone who hears them. She so sweet and rightous and virtious and special ,it's almost like an angel lives among us.

GOD MODE SUE--She's better at everything more than anyone else. Because she has amazing powers and/or ablilities, everyone needs her help. She can combine with most of the other types except Purity Sue and Sympathy Sue.

MARY TZU--she's so smart that she knows everything especially in the field of battle, even though she's only 14! She never loses! Why, she even knows what you're going to do before you do!

JERK SUE--she's a bitch and everyone still loves her. She's darker, edgier, cooler, kick ass, and awesome. She often uses "tough love" to justify her behavior. Ever read a travesty of writing called My Immortal? Jerk Sue is the star of it.

POSSESSION SUE--This is actually a body snatcher--she invades an already existing character and tries to make him/her better or more important than they actually were in the canon and it's always a character that the author has a personal liking for. In an extreme situation the charcter's original personality and traits are completley ignored in favor of what the author wants, and the character starts acting like a Mary sue. She mixes well with Fixer Sue.

COPYCAT SUE--she doesn't steal the charcter himself, but clones him. Copy Cat Sue is just like the best charcter there but even better; maybe cuter for swapping genders. The main character has a sad back story? She has it too! Maybe he has a special one of a kind tricket? Yup, she has that too! She usually insinuates herself to be a family member of the copied character even though he is an orphan or the last of his kind, and sometimes she is his lover as well, (eww!) and gets to come along on all the big adventures without earning her place and beats the baddy with ease when the hero over there has been training his ass off just for this fight. Sometimes she dates the villain despite being related to the hero and neither one seems to have any problem with it.. And 9 times out of 10 Capy Cat Sue is just a recolor. (Princess Elizabeth, ya'll!)

RELATIONSHIP SUE--Sometimes known as Whore Sue or Romance Sue. A Sue whos real purpose is to live out a romance with a character. An author lives vicariously through her, regardless if there's already a girlfriend present. All the boys love her no matter what she does, and they usually act out if charcter around her. She tends to get rid of present girlfriends by making them suddenly fall in love with someone else, making them just give up for the sake of the boyfriend's happiness, making them an awful person and a cheater so the boyfriend will have a reason to want someone better, someone like Relationship Sue. Relationship Sue mixs well with all the other Sue types especially Purity Sue.

SYMPATHY SUE--A Sue who wants sympathy. Her whole story is sad and angsty for the purpose of gathering pity. She has many of the ordinary Sue traits just with a really really sad and tragic background. She still manages to be beautiful despite suffering so much, and she cries about her sad story all the time,  and all anyone wants to do is make her happy, she doesn't do it herself--it's all up to them and their never ending attention towards her. She pairs up well with Jerk Sue.

ANTI-SUE--a Mary Sue who tries to disguise her Mary Sueness by not being perfect. But no matter how common looking or even ugly she is or is a pathetic loser with a unlpeasant personality and does everything wrong, she's still a Sue when all the characters want her attention like shes' the most wonderful creature to ever be born and the universe and plot still bends for her. And she can be even worse than a regular Sue because at least it makes a little more sense that the boys are interested in a good looking girl and not a slob who's still a Mary Sue.  

VILLAIN SUE--Mary Sue but evil. Two major combos for her are Sympathy Sue (I'm evil because my life was sad!) and God Mode Sue (I'm better than all of you!) She can also mix with Jerk Sue but not Purity Sue--Purity is always a good guy. As a villain, she never gets the downfall that you expect a villain to have--Because Mary Sues never lose. This type of Sue is rarest.

FIXER SUE--When there's something you dont like about the story, send Fixer Sue to make it right! She is not really a character, and is actually more of a plot device. But she's still very Sue for changing the canon story lines. Fixer Sue can also highjack canon characters for the purpose of "fixing" that character to make them better, making her part Possession Sue.

PARODY SUE-- A Mary Sue who was made on purpose to be a Mary Sue! She mixes with any other types so long as it's clearly obviosuus that the story she is in is taking a jab at the Mary Sue character. If your are not an experienced writer, Parody Sue can be difficult to work with.

CANON SUE--A sue who acrually exists in the caste of canon characters! Belle Swan is a prime example of a canon sue.

THIRTY SUE PILE UP!--Why stop at one when the story can have a bunch of Sues? But becareful--no one knows which one really happens--do they cancel each other out or does the universe implode? I'm going for implode because I can't really see a bunch of Sues living and working together. I think they would try and kill each other--except for Purity Sue, she's so sweet and kind and burdened by all the fighting that all her friends will probably go in her place. Damn if that's gonna stop Villain Sue and jealous Relationship Sue from kicking her perfect ass. Wait a minute--she's too perfect to have an ass kicking! See--that unverse just imploded from the lack of logic!




A great source of information for most of this is site called T.V. tropes, but I warn, trying to read through everything in there will be a challenge!
Another introspective look, this time on the nefarious Mary Sue Character. She is the bane of our existence in some ways, a poor excuse for a character, and sometimes, she's so ridiculous, that she's a total joke! So let's have a closer look and see what makes a Sue a Sue. Happy reading!~

I also made two ridiculous characters to accompany this, put I will be posting those later on.
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Absolhunter251 Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Very good! Hmmm..I have to say, at some point I did make a Mary Sue, but I changed it since then. I honestly don't remember XD 

but, I am a little nervous on my own characters I made that are original in my own series now XD 

like here's one of them.

marcus Elliot, an 18 year old teen, who is stubborn and mean to everyone in the unit, because he prefers to treat everyone like crap to make himself feel better, since he lost his parents on an alien attack when he was 4 and sent to an orphanage and abused by foster parents when adopted. After those events in his life, he didn't like anyone too much or opened to anyone, but maybe a few people he trusted. Like a professor who took care of him and got him into the academy for his dream.

But  the professor was hurt by an accident and Marcus thinks, by being nice and kind, it always hurts people he came to know. So he thought by being tough and mean, he be able to keep others from getting hurt.
But the only one he's nice too and open too is his girlfriend he met in the Academy.

Then a man by the name of Deven artim, is helping out Marcus. trying to mold him to be more well stable and see that if he be less of an ass, he make friends and be able to focus better in the unit. But Marcus being stubborn, he thinks he gets the respect he wants, because he's being mean to others, making snarky comments and pushing buttons of people, even aliens who are in the unit, trying to help them all out. It takes the alien commander, Tobias to break Marcus's hate to all aliens over the loss of his parents and classmates, when Tobias saves Marcus is skin from the evil aliens and a talk. 
Eventually, Marcus does change and starts to show more of a heart by caring for what happens to his unit and even his girlfriend, who he doesn't want to see hurt.

i can go on and on XD but I thought I share with you it. This whole series is my original scifi adventure series called, gunma. 

But back on topic of this writing. I like it and it makes me see when writing a character to be able to have flaws and all.

again, good job on the writing! 
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PrinceofSilver Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2017
My sister has a character. She let me use her's OC. Her character is not a Mary Sue (She has a name normal, defects, has no interest in anybody and nobody falls for her, she travels with the main character and his companions. Her relationship with companini is neutral, meaning no friends nor enemies, but allies. the best friend is her main character. her appearance is normal, nothing out of the ordinary. She uses magic that everyone, also her past is simple, had a normal family, a good life, one day, she decided to go on a trip and met the main character). That would be her self.

She gave me her character, told me that I can do what I want with she, because somehow she will not be used her OC. So I'm afraid I do not have turned her character, nice original, a Oc well done, in a Mary Sue. I made her character more masculine. Basically, I made her's OC to look like a boy for fun. All would confuse, think she's a boy, she is actually a girl. I made her unable to use magic, thinking that would make it more interesting. She uses bow. At first, she does not interest anyone. With time, because I loved her friendship with the main character, I did her begin to love her friend more than a friend. At first, her friend rejects her, but over time begin love her back.
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emilyldraws0303 Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2016  Student Digital Artist
i think i created a mary sue
look on my galery and the newest upload
she looks waay to mary sue i think

can you make how can you make a mary sue to look less like a mary sue ???
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LuckyLadyXandra Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2016   Artist
Well the first think I would advice is to make sure that she fits into the fandom you designed her for. But its a little different if she's an original character. I think original characters are not judged as harshly, well not until she starts getting shipped with canon characters. But being a little bit bright is okay sometimes.

Ah, I can see people were giving you a hard time about this. Listen I like the colors you are using so why don't you keep them but arrange them differently. Maybe her hair can be light teal and her clothes can be pink. Or backwards. This way she still has those colors but they are not all In her hair. 
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emilyldraws0303 Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2016  Student Digital Artist
thank for the advise LuckyLadyXandra :D

my oc don't belong to a fandom ,she is kinda stuck with nothing. it makes her easy to hop in a one and hop out off a fandom . im planning that she have a backstory or something

and with the ships and all :if i ship my oc with a canon character , the canon character don't instantly be friends or love her and since she lives in a acount that called : emilyldraws0303 , she is  maintaining the profile and making up stories about herself , while the artist is making drawings .

and for the coloring i spent alot time in the hair and somethimes i have a feeling the hair is too much. And making people believe i have a mary sue . thanks alot :) :) :)
ps. sorry for answering late , i had school and homework .....
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LuckyLadyXandra Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2016   Artist
YOure welcome!

Oh, I had an oc who used to do that! It was fun but I never actually shipped her with anyone--she was just friends with my favorite characters ^^

Some details and a backstory--evena  short would would help as long as things make sense, which I know its hard to do when you want your character to have certain powers. Mine was magical. And I would hear that there should be a reason why she's magical. I was confused--I really need a reason for my own character? So I ended up making her parents wizards, and she has magic because she learned through spell books. See, its a short explanation and its not long and its simple.

I do love color! But sometimes you have to try different ideas out, because there is such a thing as too much. But there are exceptions to things--like all these beautiful colors would make great sense just the way they are if she came from a candyland palace! Just throwing out some ideas, but feel free to use any idea I give you.
And Im sorry people are being a little hasty about judging your character, but I since she's still being worked on, that's what you can tell people if it will help the situation.
Good luck! And sont worry about ansering late ^^
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ThatDumbKitty Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Are my characters Mary Sues/Gary Stus?
Robin Smith:An 18 year old girl with severe adhd that is very cheerful and slightly (very) crazy 
Ben Smith:A 19 year old boy that deals with his fucked up sister and is the straight man in the story
Roselyn Mint:A 19 year old girl that is has humongous titties and is very rich,but has many health problems
Blake Sparks:An 18 year old boy that is a Memelord and is a secret pervert 
Krista Sparks:A 15 year old girl that obsesses over her brother and wants no one to date or marry him. So she's basically just a VERY over protective sister.
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LuckyLadyXandra Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2016   Artist
I don't think any of these are mary sues/ gary stus. As a matter of fact some of them sound quite interesting ^^ The important thing is to flesh them each out like each is their own person with faults and quirks and dreams. Mary sues are ususally shallow self inserts and have little to no personality, are ususally really inconsistent--like saying she is kind, sweet and gentle but she killed all her love rivals or something like that--and usually just exist to have a cute canon character's life suddenly revolve around her. If you're characters aren't following that pattern then you don't have to worry too much about them being mary sues/Gary sues. :) (Sotty about the late response!)
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ThatDumbKitty Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks for the advice! It's okay that you had a late response mine are usually much later.
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LuckyLadyXandra Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2016   Artist
Youre welcome! :)
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Quiteamate Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2016
I don't feel right about this. Considering the things on the list, I kinda feel like that Richard Liu is kinda Relationship Sue and Mary Tzu, although I try my best not to make Richard take romantic interests in any of the canon characters, and try to show that although Richard does win, he always wins in a pyrrhic manner and the story I make seems to place Richard slightly towards Fixer Sue. So I like to ask for your opinion. Is Richard a Mary Sue, or am I just being paranoid here.

His story is here: www,fanfiction,net/s/11436376/1/X-Over-Multiverse-ZX (replace commas with dots)
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LuckyLadyXandra Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2016   Artist
Its all in the way you handle it, as I've often seen.
Fans are actually very willing to overlook some things if the person drawing them is not outright rude to them.
The Problem with multiple shippings is that people can view it as a character being a little bit greedy, unless he persues lovers but he has to really persist because they don't automatically want to couple up with him. The Chase makes the story, but if there area already multiple pairings for no other reason than the Author wants them, well that just makes the character seem spoiled and a bit unfaithful. As for always winning the battle, well look at it this way; even Superman lost once. I think age has a lot to do with battle prowess. A warrior who has been training since he was old enough to walk can be a pretty top notch fighter at age sixteen, but he had to earn it through years of training. Often characters are described as expert fighters but never explain out how, where they learned their skill from, or if there was reallyeven a need to know how to fight. I can't tell you hom many princesses I have seen who somehow know martial arts but never practiced for it!
I do think your character may have some development flaws but I don't think they are a sue--or stu.

Um, it seems the link isn't working.
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Quiteamate Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2016
www.fanfiction.net/s/11436376/…

If DA bans this link, then look for the story name in fanfiction.net. It'll appear.

Also, if you notice Richard being a flawless pilot in the first Starfox chapter, it's because he trained for a month and a half just to pilot his custom Arwing properly, and exploits the advantage of barrel-rolling at the right times to avoid damage, and Fox seems to have ignored this loophole. But if it's still too Better-Than-Canon Sueish, I already planned for Richard's comeuppance. 

As for the problem about Richard's proficiency. All is explained in the Hyrule Warriors story arc. Richard does start off being a bit clumsy with the sword and shield, with skill being compensated by the power of the weapon, but soon enough, Richard does get good enough to wield the weapon as well as a intermediate student on the weapon.

As for shippings? I already developed a countermeasure (slight spoilers to the future chapters): Richard finds the fact that he cannot love anyone, since each of the team's females are too good for him, and they don't seem to take romantic interest, and only respect him as a hero and friend. Richard ain't no sex-obsessed otaku, and it will remain that way. The only possible shipping will be when Richard finds a alternate gender-bent self, that actually has a different personality, yet still bears the same type of conscience as him.
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shark235 Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
My eyes will burn out if I saw a Mary Sue. Thank god that they don't actually exist.
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LuckyLadyXandra Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2016   Artist
If they did, all out personalities would be out of whack since they warp other people around them!
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Jonsukka Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you soo much for writting this.
This has taught me more about Mary Sues. Though now I think I might have made argument mistake at some point.

My opinion on Mary Sues is that I don´t think it´s nice way to cathegorize a character. Mary Sue´s definition can be very hard to understand fully and as you said if some character has two traits of Mary Sue people see the character as Mary Sue. How I see Mary Sues is that they are fancharacters, which is okay, but they are an artists fantasy poured on paper.
Then again, I see nothing wrong in pouring your fantasies on paper as long as you are sensible and mature around other people. Also, there´s stuff the audience should think about like being polite and giving good critic. You know, tell the bad things that need improving, but you also gotta tell the good things. You have permission to rip my head off, but I think all the hate Princess Elizabeth still receives is a bit too much. Same propably goes for AkaiDalia. They got kicked out of DA, but they are still haunted all over the internet. You know, what if the girl, who told someone to kill themselves killed herself when the victims won?
I´m still not sure wether to stand on Mary Sues´side or Mary Sue haters´side? It´s not the character it´s the people in most of these cases, who are being undeveloped and bitchy. Also, time is important with any OC. I have a whole family of OCs, who started as Danny Phantom Sues, but I developed them. It took time, many years, but now they are not Marys and Garys anymore. They have their own family in their own universe. I like to think Mary and Gary Sues as blooming characters. They haven´t found their Place yet, so they go into other universe they try to fit in, but well, don´t fit and mess stuff up. That´s okay though. Everybody makes mistakes and you gotta start from somewhere. That goes for artists and for characters. I didn´t have my own drawing style when I got more serious about it. So, I started o mimick mr. Butch Hartman´s drawing style and even sneaked my own Sues into his universe. I did that, because Danny Phantom is such a great show. I also have TMNT Sues. Sure their names and background aren´t original, but that´s why I try to develop them.


In the end I think I support Mary and Gary Sues. Go ahead get crazy with your character, but please don´t lash out on others. And what comes to the audience, be patient. The character grows with its artist. Also there is always other artists you can watch. This is DeviantART! There´s more art you can count!! No need to built up rage and fight with jerks. Block and ignore. ^^
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LuckyLadyXandra Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2016   Artist
Youre welcome! I'm glad you enjoyed reading it as much as I did writing it, because like a lot of people out there, I knew the things that made a mary sue but not the reasons why. Like why is being a princess such a bad thing?

Anyway, I'm glad you spoke youre mind. Some people do take it offensively and some don't. I have a acharcter that was a lot like a mary sue and I'm not embarrassed to say that to people. mary sues are characters, but the thing that makes a mary sue is the inconsitancies like saying a character is shy but flirts around all the time, unrealisticness like being an expert at every martial arts style in the world at age 15, and being underdeveloped likie not having a set personality or a well thought out background.
I agree! I love the idea or pouring on fantasy into a character! And if people like their character the way they are, that's just fine and okay. The problem is that people aften want to be taken seriously as character developers and story writers but it's hard to take a person seriously when they know their character has huge flaws and refuse to work on them. I've seen it a lot, and it's not pretty! They can keep the character the way she is, but not to many people are going to take her seriously as a well developed character. There's just no having both ways on that one. Princess Elizabeth is an excellent example of that. She wanted people to take her character seriously but would steal little parts of other characters in a way that you would notice right away. But I do agree that people would go overboard on reacting to her--they still do. And I can see why, but I think people should try their best to hold their own tempers, you know don't go around calling actual people whores or sluts--even if I say something like I think her character does act like a whore sometimes, I'm not going to call the actual person a whore for that. To me there is a difference when you talk about a person and then talk about a person's character.

To me, I dont' care if people love their mary sues, good for them if they do, but I don't think loving their character is an open door to treat others poorly. I have had people take jabs at my characters and I know they are not mary sues, and I didn't like it because I felt the people doing it were genuinely being malicious, but it didn't spur me to make this huge journal, calling people haters, and telling my friends to go gang up on them--no, none of that. If people who make mary sues accidently just reacted more maturely like that, people wouldn't have a problem with them or their characters.

And I gotta agree there with you; you need time to gain experience. And I do think accidental mary sues are a learning step. it's just like everything else; you learn all the mistakes the first time you try anything new. Ah, remember Danny Phantom...but I was more of a TMNT fan back in the day.

And I agree with oyou yet again! Do have fun with the characters! But don't loose your head over it. It would be nice if we all grew and learned a little more as we go; unfortunately I have run into a few people that refuse to do that, and that's where the backlash comes in. So though the audience can be harsh at times, the artist can be just as bad when they don't want to improve because they are convince they are already perfect in the way they made their character. So for me it's a bit of a teeter totter situation. But you are totally right in that even if we disagree we should deal with things as maturely and calmy as we can.
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TheAnthroPony Featured By Owner May 5, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I sure hope none of my characters are Mary-Sues. XD

Also, ignore that bitch, insaneOphelia666. She's just a twelve year old who's got nothing better to do.
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insaneOphelia666 Featured By Owner May 5, 2016   General Artist
lol fuck off
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LuckyLadyXandra Featured By Owner May 5, 2016   Artist
I'm pretty sue my first OC is still a mary sue, it's just that no one realizes it yet because I haven't written much about her but she totally is! :D I'm still tweaking things on her but that's the the great thing about characters; you can always revamp them.

Yeah, I noticed; what a total brat! The weird thing is that I noticed her comment right at the same time I was working on a written piece about oversexualized characters and the lazy artists who use cheap sex appeal to get others to like their characters. I have half a mind to thow her name in there, but I probably shouldn't. The timing was just kind of freaky.
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AskBillC1ph3r Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2016
Umm...... A Mary Sue is a character with too much power, everyone loves her, and nobody can stop her.
Here's a profile of an mlp Mary Sue:
Princess Glitter Dawn
Alicorn
Rainbow hair, hooves, eyes, wings, and horn.
The secret sister of celestia and Luna and is discords girlfriend and best friends with twilight sparkle. Everybody loves her. She was born an alicorn. She is super awesome and she is part snake, cat, and dog.


A Mary Sue is a female OC that has a huge amount of power and they are very unfair in roleplays. A Gary Stu is the male version of that..........
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LuckyLadyXandra Featured By Owner May 5, 2016   Artist
That sounds about right, though I hear that alicorns are already canon mary sues since they get the best of both worlds--unicorn and pegusus. But yeah, they have all this perfection that makes them unrealistic and usually hate all the characters that their creator hates. Another big thing is inconsistency, like being a super strong fighter but having a shy and timid personality. I see that a lot.
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insaneOphelia666 Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2016   General Artist
CUNT BITCH JUST BCUZ A CHARA IS LIKE THAT MEANS NOTHING 
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LuckyLadyXandra Featured By Owner May 3, 2016   Artist
Look, just because you suddenly realize that your character may have problems doesn't mean you should go around making a fool of yourself on other people's deviations. It doesn't make you look smart or bad ass or fix your character's problems. So do yourself a favor and comment like an adult the next time you want to say something on someone else's deviation.
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insaneOphelia666 Featured By Owner May 3, 2016   General Artist
WELL IM NOT AN ADULT SO FUCK YOU 
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LuckyLadyXandra Featured By Owner May 3, 2016   Artist
You should still grow up, kid.
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insaneOphelia666 Featured By Owner May 3, 2016   General Artist
no you dont control me 
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LuckyLadyXandra Featured By Owner May 4, 2016   Artist
Oh! I see! You're one of those pathetic attention seeking wanna be drama queens! Well, in that case, I have better things to do than argue with a person acting like a pathetic and spoiled 5 year old. So While Im going to go back to what I was doing, why don't you learn how to actually draw something of substantive value and not something reeking of child porn and pedohilia? Good bye, and grow up.
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insaneOphelia666 Featured By Owner May 4, 2016   General Artist
byeeee hahahahahha
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TheAnthroPony Featured By Owner May 5, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wow, so petty. Laughing like a fucking retard. You know, we can continue this on. I'm no quitter.
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Candydreaner Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2016
Your OC is a Mary-Sue so stfu
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insaneOphelia666 Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2016   General Artist
NO SHE FUCKING ISNT JESUS 
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Candydreaner Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2016
Yes she is
She dresses like a slut
Her mom died twice somehow
She is overpowered

=
Mary-Sue
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insaneOphelia666 Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2016   General Artist
no ur ocs are mary sue s
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Candydreaner Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2016
My OCs aren't serial killers;
My OCs have realistic personality;
My OCs moms didn't actually died twice;
They don't dress like sluts;
They aren't overpowered (they don't even have powers)

Do YOU even know what Mary-Sue is?
I doubt not
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monstermaster13 Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
This could come in useful for the many times in which my characters have been treated like that. 
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LuckyLadyXandra Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2016   Artist
I was hoping it would provide answers for people, you know if you call my character a Mary sue, I would want to know why and what did I do wrong. Sometimes the people who people it as an insult aren't even very clear on what a Mary sue is either--they just use the word to insult someone's characters. So I would hope those insulted people would read this so they can defend themselves. And yeah, I did have a character insulted, but it was by some jerk from one of those badfantroll blogs. :D
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monstermaster13 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
It gets tossed around so much,  they probably don't get what the actual meaning is.
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LuckyLadyXandra Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2016   Artist
That was one of the reasons why I wrote this. So everyone can have a better idea, and for myself as well since I have a character and I had her for the longest time ever, and I never posted much about her because I thought she was a mary sue for having animal ears and mismatched eyes. I was always waiting for someone overcritical person to come and pick a fight over it, so I figured i'd read up on this character type and find out myself what makes a sue a sue.
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monstermaster13 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
I can relate.
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LuckyLadyXandra Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2016   Artist
:)

Turns out she does have a few mary sue qualities, but I still love her...and there's no info posted so no one else knows it yet.
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monstermaster13 Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Aaaaw..that's good.
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Alex-lad Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2016  Professional Interface Designer
Mary Sue that is true
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Knife-Girl Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Here she is !
Red the blood taker Ref by Knife-Girl
Write your review/What you think on the comments :3 You don't need to reply here ^^
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Knife-Girl Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Thank you so much for this ^^
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LuckyLadyXandra Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2016   Artist
Youre welcome!^^
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Knife-Girl Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2016  Student Digital Artist
I will use this for my character's new ref as a test if you don't mind ^^
Also i would love if you could review her when i'm done ! 
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LuckyLadyXandra Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2016   Artist
Go right ahead!

Sure! ^^
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Knife-Girl Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2016  Student Digital Artist
thank you ^^
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LuckyLadyXandra Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016   Artist
I'm so sorry for making you wait! I got in over my head on some things and I apologize for that. 
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